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#1 Str8tEdge

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:25 PM

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Not So Golden Years: Rise in Capital Gains and Dividends Tax Would Hit Seniors Hard
Published October 15, 2010

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The baby boomers' nest egg will soon start to crack if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire.

Retired seniors could be among the hardest hit by the failure to extend Bush-era tax cuts on Jan. 1 since they rely most on investments and savings

Lawmakers have been warning for months about the income-tax consequences for working families, including penalties on marriage and a reduction in child tax credits.

But those living off investment income would see not only their 401(k) and savings accounts taxed at higher income rates, but also dividends and capital gains skimmed deeper and deeper by the federal government.

Studies of IRS data put out by The Tax Foundation show seniors over 65 earn more from dividends and capital gains than any other age group -- more than $77 billion in dividends and more than $150 billion in capital gains in 2008.

That means for retired workers, every penny is that much more valuable. Investment income typically supplements Social Security, or vice versa, and tax analysts say that if the Bush tax cuts expire, it could mean thousands of dollars less every golden year.

Pete Sepp, executive vice president at the National Taxpayers Union, called it a "serious tax squeeze" for retirees.

"A lot of them still have money in things like traditional mutual funds," he said.

Here's what happens to that income if tax rates increase to levels of almost a decade ago:

On the capital gains side, the hit would be somewhat modest. Currently, the lowest rate for long-term gains is 0 percent and the highest is 15 percent. If nothing is changed, the lowest rate rises to 10 percent, the highest to 20 percent.

The change on the dividends side is far more drastic, since it used to be taxed as ordinary income. Barring congressional intervention, the lowest rate for qualified dividends goes from 0 to 15 percent and the highest goes from 15 to 39.6 percent. Even those in the middle-class brackets could expect to see their rate rise to close to 30 percent.

Sepp said seniors in the upper-class brackets "have a lot to worry about" in that scenario, but that even a couple taking in $25,000 from interest and dividends would easily see their taxes go up by more than $2,000.

And that would mean much more than less money for groceries, dinner and the movies. It also could have ramifications for state and local economies -- like Florida's -- where seniors make up a huge portion of the population.

"We know they'll spend less because they'll have less to spend," said Bill Ahern, spokesman for The Tax Foundation. "I would expect the restaurant sector, the entertainment sector to suffer."

Dozens of House Democrats warned in a letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi last month that the increases could "discourage" other Americans from investing.

"Raising the tax rate on dividends would likely cause some companies to forego paying dividends and others to pay a lower amount to shareholders," they wrote, urging Congress to extend the current rates. "These outcomes would disproportionately affect seniors and those saving for retirement."

Despite the standoff, President Obama and congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle say they're intent on extending at least some of the tax cuts -- unfinished business to be taken up after the election. Republicans want all the rates extended, while Obama wants the rates extended for all but the wealthiest earners. Under the Obama plan, the top-bracket capital gains and dividends rates would rise to 20 percent.

Sepp said he doesn't expect Congress to allow dividends to be taxed as ordinary income, considering how significant the change would be.

But even if Democrats get their way, Ahern noted that an increase from 15 to 20 percent is still considerable for someone living off that income.

"A 33 percent tax hike on your dividend income ... is economically significant," Ahern said.

A 5-point hike in the capital gains tax is particularly significant for homeowners looking to sell their property.

Sepp also noted that it's unclear whether Congress would keep the 0 percent rate at the bottom end, given that the lowest rate only recently dropped to nothing from 5 percent.

"That could very easily be dealt away," Sepp said.


Why do progressives and democrats HATE senior citizens?????:huh:

Edited by Str8tEdge, 22 September 2012 - 09:35 PM.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:52 PM

I'm not a psychologist, but in Obama's case it may be a touch of the Oedipus complex.

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#3 Str8tEdge

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:54 PM

I'm not a psychologist, but in Obama's case it may be a touch of the Oedipus complex.

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:lol: Oh damn... that's cold. :lol:

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:54 PM

This is a great post. The one thing that is not mentioned is that by Bernanke dropping rates to zero he has already devistated fixed income for seniors. Without a decent fixed rate seniors are being pushed into riskier investments which puts them in dire straights when the market collapses. This administration has already been at war with seniors not to mention the medicare cuts. Any senior that votes for Obama is an idiot.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

The dumbasses of the left think there are millions of Romney's, Buffet's etc. there are not enough of them to support their breast sucking agenda.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:56 PM

This is a great post. The one thing that is not mentioned is that by Bernanke dropping rates to zero he has already devistated fixed income for seniors. Without a decent fixed rate seniors are being pushed into riskier investments which puts them in dire straights when the market collapses. This administration has already been at war with seniors not to mention the medicare cuts. Any senior that votes for Obama is an idiot.


It's an old article but yes, the FED actions f_ck senior citizens in the ass HARD.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:58 PM

Any wonder why Romney leads BO by 8 pts with seniors? Seniors also do not lay in bed, they get out and vote.

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#8 Str8tEdge

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 09:59 PM

The dumbasses of the left think there are millions of Romney's, Buffet's etc. there are not enough of them to support their breast sucking agenda.


They're an EXTREME minority and yet........ the progressives in an irrational fit of jealousy and envy, want to f_ck every senior citizen who actually planned for their retirement. :lol:

Just another way they attempt to stick it to ANYONE who practices personal responsibility.

I'm firmly convinced progressives are as allergic to personal responsibility as they are to soap.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

They live life on a Visa with 21% interest and by gawd someone is going to pay for their stupidity.










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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

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Why do progressives and democrats HATE senior citizens?????:huh:

Regressive's - Rats - hate them because seniors are in their way. The Rats want these old people to give all their money to government and just die. Since seniors cost government the most in healthcare in their last 5 years of life the left will soon propose a buyout plan. This plan will pay younger relatives a percentage of gramps or gams projected medical expenses if they opt for Dr. assisted suicide. If the senior has no family government pockets the savings so some bureaucrat can steal them.

Wish in one hand; crap in the other, and you have a Democrap in both hands.


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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:08 PM

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Why do progressives and democrats HATE senior citizens?????:huh:


Great piece... The Left tries to sell the Lie that anyone who worked and saved hard enough to provide for their own retirement is a thief or a Tax Cheat.... They don't seem to respect anyone that's achieved success on their own, and in fact demonize such individuals. Anyone who isn't a junkie to government is considered the enemy.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:24 PM

The Rats want these old people to give all their money to government and just die.


Interesting hypothesis.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:36 PM

Any increase to Capital Gains should only affect income over a certain point. The first 100k should remain at the current 15%. Any amount over that should be subject to a higher tax rate.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:11 AM

This is a great post. The one thing that is not mentioned is that by Bernanke dropping rates to zero he has already devistated fixed income for seniors. Without a decent fixed rate seniors are being pushed into riskier investments which puts them in dire straights when the market collapses. This administration has already been at war with seniors not to mention the medicare cuts. Any senior that votes for Obama is an idiot.


Yeah..thanks for your concern. Which I assume is insincere. Interest returns on savings accounts have been ultra low quite a few years...including before Obama.

As for Various Bush tax cuts, after the lot expires.....Obama and the Dems will be pleased to propose a fresh set of lower rates for low income Seniors who get some income from Dividends. Obama and Dems in general have been fine with tax cuts for middle and low income folks...so we shall see if the Repubs REALLY care (probably don't) about seniors or the middle class when they try to hold them hostage.

Don't kid yourself...and you won't fool me. With almost nothing else to justify their existance,the GOP 's in congress will fold,and go along (at least enough will) and those who AIN"T rich...will end up with pretty much the cuts they have right now. The High Rollers however, won't be in this round. The rich will need to start doing some real job creating if they want to jack up their take. Tax cuts just made them feel entitled and lazy.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:19 AM

Any increase to Capital Gains should only affect income over a certain point. The first 100k should remain at the current 15%. Any amount over that should be subject to a higher tax rate.


Until you earn $100k right???

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:37 AM

Great piece... The Left tries to sell the Lie that anyone who worked and saved hard enough to provide for their own retirement is a thief or a Tax Cheat.... They don't seem to respect anyone that's achieved success on their own, and in fact demonize such individuals. Anyone who isn't a junkie to government is considered the enemy.



Uh huh...and is it the person who gets maybe a thousand in dividends off maybe $20-30 K you worry about? Is it a concern Granny sells a house and make gains of $40 K ?

I think the Dems won't object to tax breaks for low income seniors who do not just happen to be millionaires making large $ on stocks. My mom had stock, got dividends and it helped her retire okay on that, Social Security,and a Small Pension.

Funny...the corporate big shots hate pensions for regular folks now. Huh mitt? Don't con us. We ain't senile. There's a lot of folks who may be well beyond 65 and make a million and up every year on dividend and Cap gain income. No reason they should pay lower taxes than were they working for it. Either way,it's still income. We don't need to pamper the very rich. They do just fine.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:05 AM

Any increase to Capital Gains should only affect income over a certain point. The first 100k should remain at the current 15%. Any amount over that should be subject to a higher tax rate.


You mean like Romney's plan to eliminate capital gains on those making under 250K? I agree 100%:lol:

Uh huh...and is it the person who gets maybe a thousand in dividends off maybe $20-30 K you worry about? Is it a concern Granny sells a house and make gains of $40 K ?

I think the Dems won't object to tax breaks for low income seniors who do not just happen to be millionaires making large $ on stocks. My mom had stock, got dividends and it helped her retire okay on that, Social Security,and a Small Pension.

Funny...the corporate big shots hate pensions for regular folks now. Huh mitt? Don't con us. We ain't senile. There's a lot of folks who may be well beyond 65 and make a million and up every year on dividend and Cap gain income. No reason they should pay lower taxes than were they working for it. Either way,it's still income. We don't need to pamper the very rich. They do just fine.


Hey DUMBASS? When you're NOT able to WORK because no one will HIRE YOUR 70 year old ASS that million or two might have to last another 20 years...... Why the F_CK should they have to scrimp and save because YOU want to get your greedy slimy hands on MORE of their money?

How about we eliminate capital gains on ANYONE over the age of 65? :huh: Sound FAIR?

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:52 AM

Why do progressives and democrats HATE senior citizens?????:huh:


How much will it hurt senior citizens exactly? I just want to know how much the bastards are going to squirm.


:lol:^^^ standard progressive on display.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:09 AM

Yeah..thanks for your concern. Which I assume is insincere. Interest returns on savings accounts have been ultra low quite a few years...including before Obama.

As for Various Bush tax cuts, after the lot expires.....Obama and the Dems will be pleased to propose a fresh set of lower rates for low income Seniors who get some income from Dividends. Obama and Dems in general have been fine with tax cuts for middle and low income folks...so we shall see if the Repubs REALLY care (probably don't) about seniors or the middle class when they try to hold them hostage.

Don't kid yourself...and you won't fool me. With almost nothing else to justify their existance,the GOP 's in congress will fold,and go along (at least enough will) and those who AIN"T rich...will end up with pretty much the cuts they have right now. The High Rollers however, won't be in this round. The rich will need to start doing some real job creating if they want to jack up their take. Tax cuts just made them feel entitled and lazy.

Heres the problem, the dems only want tax cuts at election time, once election is over the dems go on spending sprees and need tax increases. The whole problem is the dems are blowing every penny the government can steal from us.
Lower taxes and stop spending.
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