[RichClem]

Despite the obvious fact that Welfare was a stupendous disaster for the country, it took decades to reform it, achieved only because Gingrich & Repubs took Congress and intimidated Clinton into signing it.

After vetoing it twice, Clinton was told by Dick Morris that he he wanted to win re-election, he'd better sign it.

Never informing voters of their intentions, Obama and Democrats have repealed it behind American voters' backs.

And my estimate of $1 trillion annual spending is quite low. The damage Obama will do to this country is tremendous. If he manages to get Government Monopoly Health Care and, resultingly, the rest of his Radical Left agenda, the damage would be incalculable to the country.

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Quote

The End of the End of Welfare as We Know It [NRO Staff]

Stephen Spruiell highlights a new Robert Rector study on Obama welfare spending. He begins:

Obama started increasing welfare spending immediately after assuming office. The stimulus bill included $220 billion in new means-tested spending, including a little-noticed provision that repealed one of the key welfare reforms of the Clinton era. The 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act capped welfare dollars to states, ending the perverse system that rewarded states for adding cases to their welfare rolls. The 2009 stimulus bill lifted the caps. Once again, states that add to their rolls qualify for more cash.

President Clinton said his legislation would “end welfare as we know it.” If Rector’s estimates are correct, Obama will spend twice as much on welfare as Clinton did. He is off to an incredible start. His $88.2 billion increase in welfare spending in 2009 is twice as large as any other increase in history. By the end of next year, he will have increased welfare spending by $263 billion, which is two and a half times greater than any previous increase.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/

[JTZilla]

RichClem, on 16 September 2009 - 08:59 AM, said:

Despite the obvious fact that Welfare was a stupendous disaster for the country, it took decades to reform it, achieved only because Gingrich & Repubs took Congress and intimidated Clinton into signing it.

After vetoing it twice, Clinton was told by Dick Morris that he he wanted to win re-election, he'd better sign it.

Never informing voters of their intentions, Obama and Democrats have repealed it behind American voters' backs.

And my estimate of $1 trillion annual spending is quite low. The damage Obama will do to this country is tremendous. If he manages to get Government Monopoly Health Care and, resultingly, the rest of his Radical Left agenda, the damage would be incalculable to the country.

.


http://corner.nationalreview.com/

As Usual, the country does not have the money Obama keeps blowing, The greed Obama is showing has a stench to it. More Failed Policy from a Failed OBama

[Henry_]

For RichClem,

Posted Today, 03:13 PM

So as an administrator, Misty made a decision, which she is granted with that title and based on your behavior Clem, she suspened your posting for 14 minutes. (Even if this was an hour, splitting hairs at this point seems irrelevant).

I certainly have learned something about the LF I did not know before, and that you Clem have a different status than everyone else. That many other members have been suspended and or banned for much less disruptive behavior than what you exhibit. What we saw was you contacted David_R, who quickly contacts Chuck, who quickly contacts you to let you know that this should not have happened etc.

To look at that response time is quite revealing, your relationship with David_R precludes you from rules most anyone else would have to follow, even for NHB.

I have listed below some examples of David_R's posts regarding moderating and I don't think anyone would argue that there are many inconsistencies as to how the rules are applied, and that is not to suggest that is wrong, it is the owners prerogative imo, but it significant enough to me that I point them out considering the claims you make here on this forum for being a threat to liberals. I would hope that after yesterday, members understand one thing about you, that you do not carry your own weight, you have assistance from the forum owner that no one else does, and at least there should be more candor about that.

I believe it is safe to conclude that you are that weak of character, that without your special relationship however you two define it, you would not survive any other liberal political forum. For there are several conservatives here that topple your IQ and debate skills too, but perhaps you do not mind playing the circus freak for the opportunity to espouse your pov, and that again, is fine, I just think members should be aware of WHY you are allowed to do so.




Some examples of David_R's advice on moderating NHB.

1).

I'm Sick Of The Direction This Forum Is Heading David R, in here

http://liberalforum...._1&#entry616457


David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 24 June 2008 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Oldschool @ Jun 24 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Racism and Prejudice have gotten progressively worse. Personal attacks instead of debating the topic at hand has become progressively worse as well. This forum is heading down hill.

How much can one debate policy, etc... ...........pretty boring....... but the mods are ok if they delete really crude curse words in the title... just use your imagination..... and don't use curse words..
(end.

2).

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 24 June 2008 - 12:27 PM

I tell these mods to enjoy life and chill............. but it happens every time.. they always feel like they got to do "something." then I step in and tell them to chill....................... The moderators are their just to make them feel good and stuff.. but don't they realize that one is not obligated to read every topic... ignoring something is not illegal..

3). Chuck!

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11-August 07 Gender:Male Location:Way up the Holler Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:41 PM

That's not what the Boss meant by duplicate threads.
He put back the one you moved.

In fact, he has a standing for the mods to not touch any of Rich's threads.

They have a long standing agreement about it.

http://liberalforum....go/page__st__25


4).
David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 31 May 2008 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE(btthegreat @ May 31 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WELL, David, It is clear you don't like to control people. Your code of conduct is treated like used toilet paper. Tthe ONLY rule that matters has nothing to do with that code. It has to do with 'spam', the advertisement and promotion of competitors.

the code of conduct was written before I bought the forum... really, the only rules are.. 1. no advertise other forum..2. no overboard disruptive behavior which is designed to cause to any normative person visiting the forum to leave the LF.. 3. Liberal only are for liberal only..

that is it..

http://liberalforum...._1&#entry588519

5)
Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:42 AM

Hey Mike, Find me a few hundred liberal posters like yourself and I will boot Clem's A-- out of town.

The LF tried that technique for years and it was not so successful. There is the Liberal Only room,

Would you want to be a moderator there?

BTW, I found the technique for illiminating spam...

1. ban lots of email addresses, such as all the well known
russian, ukrainian, middle east, etc email providers.

2. check the ip address of all that want to be members.

It is a bit time consuming to check all the ip addresses, but it seems to be working.

http://liberalforum....o%20100__st__50

6). David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 19 June 2007 - 02:29 PM

It was not Kaz's idea to take it public, it was mine.... the whole time I thought that this oversite committee was public...

but, now it is.... I just want stuff to be transparent and out in the open... In a political forum we are dealing with strong personalities. Just enjoy the fact, that we are meeting people with similar strong personalities as oursleves in a virtual world..... More likely than not, there should be a rule that personal attacks should be taboo..... But, Dash, you are in charge of the various rooms,, and the most likely scenario is that you will always be in charge of at least one room....... Even the news room, in essence, is a debate room, if one wants to debate...

I just don't want more than one room getting too right wing... So, if Kaz or another liberal wants to get more involved, what am I supposed to do?

of course, I am floating out ideas and invite others to join in.....

** same link as above.

7).This is linked so you can read it in full context.


David_RAug 9 2007, 02:37 PM
This is not spam. I am trying to make a deal with Phil to sell me the forum or put a banner link on top for the
Click Here

Phil, I own dozens of web sites with page rank. Just put the banner on top and I will reciprocate with good links that from sites to help your commercial enterprises. We spoke already, so just put the link and/or banner. But a banner is better.
http://www.bearpit.n....php/t8843.html



8). David_RS ep 30 2007, 10:55 PM
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 30 2007, 10:53 AM)
Yeah, I've heard that before about "moderators," but it just somehow doesn't seem to happen if the Admin. likes them.

What about the famous "Clem" mentioned above? Is he still there?

Clem and I are buddies. He wrote some really good stuff. I have not seen him in a few weeks, but hopefully he'll be back. I would like an intellectual conservative like him to join the forum.

http://www.bearpit.n....php/t8843.html


And to MistyBlue, I applaud you, you did the right thing and he had to pay a consequence for 14 whole minutes, could be one of the few consequences of his behavior he has ever had to deal with, ROFL. Fantastic and about time, anyone who denies it, is clearly an expert at denial in general.

Misty, a you are a stand up gal, Bravo!





This post has been edited by Henry_: Today, 03:18 PM


"What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them, that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply." Barack Hussein Obama, 1/20/09

[Sokpupet]

It is evident that lil Little Lord Fauntleroy has some kind of special privilege here.

He acts like a spoiled little child and all his little bullies fall right in and support him.

It is not good for this site.

[Henry_]

Sokpupet, on 26 September 2009 - 08:38 PM, said:

It is evident that lil Little Lord Fauntleroy has some kind of special privilege here.

He acts like a spoiled little child and all his little bullies fall right in and support him.

It is not good for this site.

Well, he uses David's balls, his are not up to the job Sok.

[Phelix_Dacat]

On the battlefield, when one man goes down with honor fighting the good fight, it is a moral imperitive for others to stand up for what's right, even if they suffer the same fate or worse. Heaven forbid I become like those cowards who have turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the psychotic behavior of RichClem and fostered an environment where a woman can be harassed and stalked for over a year on this forum while they pretend all is well. They are as the person living next door to a man who is beating the hell out of his girlfriend who turn up the tv because the noise is annoying them.

This is not the first time this has occurred on this forum. RichClem is not the only person to do this on the forum. Comrade Ogilvy and larryc12 have also indulged in such behavior, unchecked, according to what I was told in an email. That leaves the blood for their actions on David_R and Chuck! and a lot of others. At this point I'm sure there are other instances & perpatrators of which I am unaware.

The following was written by Henry_ and I agree with what he says

Henry_, on 26 September 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

So as an administrator, Misty made a decision, which she is granted with that title and based on your behavior Clem, she suspened your posting for 14 minutes. (Even if this was an hour, splitting hairs at this point seems irrelevant).

I certainly have learned something about the LF I did not know before, and that you Clem have a different status than everyone else. That many other members have been suspended and or banned for much less disruptive behavior than what you exhibit. What we saw was you contacted David_R, who quickly contacts Chuck, who quickly contacts you to let you know that this should not have happened etc.

To look at that response time is quite revealing, your relationship with David_R precludes you from rules most anyone else would have to follow, even for NHB.

I have listed below some examples of David_R's posts regarding moderating and I don't think anyone would argue that there are many inconsistencies as to how the rules are applied, and that is not to suggest that is wrong, it is the owners prerogative imo, but it significant enough to me that I point them out considering the claims you make here on this forum for being a threat to liberals. I would hope that after yesterday, members understand one thing about you, that you do not carry your own weight, you have assistance from the forum owner that no one else does, and at least there should be more candor about that.

I believe it is safe to conclude that you are that weak of character, that without your special relationship however you two define it, you would not survive any other liberal political forum. For there are several conservatives here that topple your IQ and debate skills too, but perhaps you do not mind playing the circus freak for the opportunity to espouse your pov, and that again, is fine, I just think members should be aware of WHY you are allowed to do so.




Some examples of David_R's advice on moderating NHB.

1).

I'm Sick Of The Direction This Forum Is Heading David R, in here

http://liberalforum...._1&#entry616457


David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 24 June 2008 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Oldschool @ Jun 24 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Racism and Prejudice have gotten progressively worse. Personal attacks instead of debating the topic at hand has become progressively worse as well. This forum is heading down hill.

How much can one debate policy, etc... ...........pretty boring....... but the mods are ok if they delete really crude curse words in the title... just use your imagination..... and don't use curse words..
(end.

2).

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 24 June 2008 - 12:27 PM

I tell these mods to enjoy life and chill............. but it happens every time.. they always feel like they got to do "something." then I step in and tell them to chill....................... The moderators are their just to make them feel good and stuff.. but don't they realize that one is not obligated to read every topic... ignoring something is not illegal..

3). Chuck!

Posts:
14,782 Joined:
11-August 07 Gender:Male Location:Way up the Holler Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:41 PM

That's not what the Boss meant by duplicate threads.
He put back the one you moved.

In fact, he has a standing for the mods to not touch any of Rich's threads.

They have a long standing agreement about it.

http://liberalforum....go/page__st__25


4).
David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 31 May 2008 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE(btthegreat @ May 31 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WELL, David, It is clear you don't like to control people. Your code of conduct is treated like used toilet paper. Tthe ONLY rule that matters has nothing to do with that code. It has to do with 'spam', the advertisement and promotion of competitors.

the code of conduct was written before I bought the forum... really, the only rules are.. 1. no advertise other forum..2. no overboard disruptive behavior which is designed to cause to any normative person visiting the forum to leave the LF.. 3. Liberal only are for liberal only..

that is it..

http://liberalforum...._1&#entry588519

5)
Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:42 AM

Hey Mike, Find me a few hundred liberal posters like yourself and I will boot Clem's A-- out of town.

The LF tried that technique for years and it was not so successful. There is the Liberal Only room,

Would you want to be a moderator there?

BTW, I found the technique for illiminating spam...

1. ban lots of email addresses, such as all the well known
russian, ukrainian, middle east, etc email providers.

2. check the ip address of all that want to be members.

It is a bit time consuming to check all the ip addresses, but it seems to be working.

http://liberalforum....o%20100__st__50

6). David_R

Posts:
638 Joined:
08-May 07 Gender:Male Posted 19 June 2007 - 02:29 PM

It was not Kaz's idea to take it public, it was mine.... the whole time I thought that this oversite committee was public...

but, now it is.... I just want stuff to be transparent and out in the open... In a political forum we are dealing with strong personalities. Just enjoy the fact, that we are meeting people with similar strong personalities as oursleves in a virtual world..... More likely than not, there should be a rule that personal attacks should be taboo..... But, Dash, you are in charge of the various rooms,, and the most likely scenario is that you will always be in charge of at least one room....... Even the news room, in essence, is a debate room, if one wants to debate...

I just don't want more than one room getting too right wing... So, if Kaz or another liberal wants to get more involved, what am I supposed to do?

of course, I am floating out ideas and invite others to join in.....

** same link as above.

7).This is linked so you can read it in full context.


David_RAug 9 2007, 02:37 PM
This is not spam. I am trying to make a deal with Phil to sell me the forum or put a banner link on top for the
Click Here

Phil, I own dozens of web sites with page rank. Just put the banner on top and I will reciprocate with good links that from sites to help your commercial enterprises. We spoke already, so just put the link and/or banner. But a banner is better.
http://www.bearpit.n....php/t8843.html



8). David_RS ep 30 2007, 10:55 PM
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 30 2007, 10:53 AM)
Yeah, I've heard that before about "moderators," but it just somehow doesn't seem to happen if the Admin. likes them.

What about the famous "Clem" mentioned above? Is he still there?

Clem and I are buddies. He wrote some really good stuff. I have not seen him in a few weeks, but hopefully he'll be back. I would like an intellectual conservative like him to join the forum.

http://www.bearpit.n....php/t8843.html


And to MistyBlue, I applaud you, you did the right thing and he had to pay a consequence for 14 whole minutes, could be one of the few consequences of his behavior he has ever had to deal with, ROFL. Fantastic and about time, anyone who denies it, is clearly an expert at denial in general.

Misty, a you are a stand up gal, Bravo!

[Affrayer]

RichClem, on 16 September 2009 - 09:59 AM, said:

Never informing voters of their intentions, Obama and Democrats have repealed it behind American voters' backs.

Good for them, what the republicans forced on Clinton was crap....

[NaughtyWord]

RichClem, on 16 September 2009 - 06:59 AM, said:

Despite the obvious fact that Welfare was a stupendous disaster for the country, it took decades to reform it, achieved only because Gingrich & Repubs took Congress and intimidated Clinton into signing it.

After vetoing it twice, Clinton was told by Dick Morris that he he wanted to win re-election, he'd better sign it.

Never informing voters of their intentions, Obama and Democrats have repealed it behind American voters' backs.

And my estimate of $1 trillion annual spending is quite low. The damage Obama will do to this country is tremendous. If he manages to get Government Monopoly Health Care and, resultingly, the rest of his Radical Left agenda, the damage would be incalculable to the country.

.


http://corner.nationalreview.com/

If you are against it then it is a good idea.


-NW

[Phelix_Dacat]

NaughtyWord, on 27 September 2009 - 05:20 AM, said:

If you are against it then it is a good idea.


-NW

That made me LOL for real.